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Appeals for Help from 2016

Photo of Brass Band in Front of Hills -
- Does Anyone Have Any Information?
- 19 May 2016

  John Bean (Thirsk) sent us the photograph opposite which he thought might of interest. (Click on it for larger image)
  He had made enquiries to the Eston Residents Association several years ago but receivd no reply.
  John has no idea when or where the photo was taken.
  But he thinks it must have a connection with this area as the hill in the background has the outline of the Eston Hills.   Also on the reverse of the photo is printed -
      "S.Kruger, Photographer, South Eston, Middlesbrough"
  John does not remember ever hearing any mention of a band in Eston, but there seems to have been one!
  Perhaps it was a visiting band - but the location for the photo seems strange?
  If it was an Eston band then a question arises - the men would have been manual workers and so poorly paid - their instruments would not have been cheap even in those days - so who paid for the instruments?
  Probably the band was supported by a large organisation and so John supposes it was the mines and associated steelworks.
  John guesses that the date of the photo is late 19th century when many bands were supported by industrial groups.

  So John asks whether anyone can identify the band or the location or add to his thoughts?
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[6 December 2016 -
Webmaster: first my apologies for not listing this Appeal on our website until over 6 months after John raised it in May.
  I did circulate an enlargement of John’s photo with his queries at our group’s May meeting.
  Unfortunately no-one recognised the band - but several thought the hills in the background were probably our Eston Hills!
  There could be some houses on the left of the picture (though might just be markings on the photo). If so someone thought it may well have been taken below the Eston Hills nearer Eston rather than from Normanby.
  Some of the instruments are most unusual - does anyone know what they are? ]
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Reply received from Jim Stone on 1 January 2017:
  I have been around brass music for 70 years and still play the euphonium and baritone but nowadays mainly to amuse myself.
  Apparently there was a band in Normanby in the 1870s so this photo might be significant - Normanby Brass Band is listed on the Internet Bandsman's Everything Within website (ibew.org.uk).
  There were also two brass bands in Eston ie Eston Miners Old and Eston Miners.
  The IBEW website says:-
  "Eston Miners' Old Brass Band (Middlesbrough) was active from the 1880s to the 1920s. It took part in the ceremony to lay the foundation stones of the Normanby Methodist Church on Saturday June 30th, 1900."
  The photo shows what I would call a traditional Village Band or some might say a Scratch Band. They have obviously marched to the hills as the bass drummer has a carrying halter strapped under his coat and the event might be to provide music for a church picnic or Sunday school treat. Who knows?
  The instruments I see as left to right:
    1.tenor horn/baritone,   2.valve trombone, 3.ophicleide,
    4.cornet,      5.cornet?,        6.cornet,
    7,(boy),        8.(bystander),          9.cornet,
    10.flute or fife?,      11.????,          12.clarinet Eb? or oboe?,
    13.side drum,    14.trumpet/long cornet?,      15.euphonium,
    16.althorn?,    17.Eb? Bass or bombardon,    18.bass drum.

  I hope that my information is of benefit to someone in your group and I enjoy looking at your excellent website.
      ---------Regards, Jim Stone (Redcar)----------
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[WebMaster: thanks Jim for your useful comments.
  Perhaps the photo was taken after the ceremony laying the foundation stone of our Normanby Methodist Church?
  Wonder if there was a newspaper report?] +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
WebMaster: 2 April 2017   - we eventually found a report about the ceremony to lay the original chapel foundation stone in the
North-Eastern Daily Gazette of 2 July 1900
  Unfortunately there are no photographs!
  But there are three possibly relevant references:
  "A deputation, accompanied by the Eston Miners’ Old Brass Band, met Mr. and Mrs A. E. Pease at Normanby and the party proceeded to the site of the new chapel where a short devotional service was held."
  "[Mr.Pease saying] ...he hardly expected to be welcomed by the Eston Band"
  "At the conclusion of the ceremony a public tea was held in an adjoining field"
  So it is possible that the old photograph was taken of the Eston Miners’ Old Brass Band in the field after the ceremony - but we’ll probably never know for sure! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If you have any more information
regarding this photo or local bands -
- then please contact us  !

Photos of Normanby Brickyards Employees -
- Does Anyone Have Any Names or Information?
- 1 Aug 2016

  Group Member Sylvia Fairbrass displayed some of her research work on the Normanby Brickyards at our recent annual exhibition.
  Sylvia is continuing her researches and would welcome any more information, photographs, documents. etc that anyone can provide on the brickyards and workers.
  Meanwhile can anyone put names to those in photos opposite?
          (Click on photos opposite for larger images)

  The middle photograph shows a group of workers from the Ormesby Brickworks.
  Names of only two of the men are known:
    Centre-left: Bill Graham
    Front Row 3rd from left: Taddy Bean

  Do you know any other names or when the photo was taken?


  The bottom photo (loaned by Dorothy Watson the daughter of Bill Graham) shows employees of Steetley at a Presentation of Long Service Awards.
  Does anyone know when or where this took place?
Back Row L-R:
David Flynn, Arthur Middlemiss, ???, ???, ???,
Nevil Aungiers ("Clark Gable"), Jack Brewer, ???, ???,
Jack Barker (glasses), ???, ???.
Front Row L-R:
Bill Graham, ???, ???, ???
  Do you know any of the missing names?

If you have any more information for Sylvia -
- then please contact us  !

Appeals for Help from 2015

Find at Normanby School -
          - Does Anyone Recognise This?
- 15 Sep 2015

  Harry Greenmon is trying to confirm the origins of this stone and sent the photo (taken by Barbara Greenmon) to some of our Group’s members. (Click on photo opposite for larger image)
  Harry said that there has been a lot of work carried out at the Normanby Primary School on Flatts Lane over the last 9 months or so.
  When the pond was drained they found this interesting carved stone which Harry believes originally came from the former Normanby School on the High Street now the Jennings.
  Can anyone confirm that?

  The stone is nearly 6 ft long and the inscription reads:

MAS????   HOUSE
ERECTED BY SUBSCRIPTION 1862
PROMOTED BY REVD.W.WARD-JACKSON PATRON
AND REVD.THOS.IRVIN INCUMBENT.

  It was suggested that the incomplete top words could be "MASTER’S HOUSE".    Harry measured it and confirmed the missing letters would fit perfectly.
  The date matches when the Normanby School Master’s house was built in 1862 (see Article Normanby Time Line ).
  [WebMaster: was this the house which can be seen on the right of the photo opposite?   Or was it at the back?]

  Harry has talked to the headmaster and they plan to have the stone cleaned up and put on permanent display in the primary school grounds on Flatts Lane.

  If you have any more information about this particular stone (especially where it was originally located) -
          - then please contact us  !
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  Brenda Wheatley (nee Marshall) was at the primary school in the 1950s. She remembers a plaque with the name Ward-Jackson on it.  This was on the wall of the school building by the play-ground.  But Brenda thinks this one was smaller and squarer than that just found.
  Does anyone else remember this smaller stone?
  Was this smaller one for when the school was built in 1843?
  What happened to it when the school was demolished?
         If you remember - please contact us  !

Appeals for Help from 2014

Boundary Marker Stone -
          - What Do the Letters Represent?
- 22 Sep 2014

  Bill Cole is trying to identify the meaning of the letters on a stone found on the bridle path between Flatts Lane and Ormesby Bank.
  The stone is on the Christ Church parish boundary line so appears to be a boundary marker.
  The letters are:    N L    B D
  Bill took the 1st photo in 2010 & the 2nd photo just last week (September 2014).
  Bill assures us that there is one stone only. The only difference is it is four years from one photo to other.
  If you have any more information about this stone and what the letters & markings stand for then please contact us!

  Answer: Our thanks to John Hunter for solving this appeal after being contacted by Amanda Proud (our Publicity Officer).   John's hobby is to document boundary stones and crosses in our area.   John says that the letters stand for "Normanby Local Board District" - the 1895 six inches to mile OS Map has lettering that shows our area as under the "Normanby LBD".

  [Webmaster] One wonders why a boundary stone should be placed on the bridle way?
  If you have any more information about this particular stone or of any similar marker stones in Normanby area then please contact us  !




Picture of Boundary Marker Stone 2010 Picture of Boundary Marker Stone 2014

Appeals for Help from 2013

Watson's Yard - Where Was It?
- 19 Sep 2013

  Janet Sabourin contacted us saying that her great-great-grandmother Hannah Stork White is shown on the 1911 Census and it gives her mailing address as Watson's Yard, Normanby.
  Janet asked if anyone can tell her anything about the street or maybe has photos of it?

  [Response from Webmaster] Watson's Yard does not appear to be on any maps we have.
  The initial thoughts of our Archivist Sylvia were that it was in the Dixon St, Laird St, Mason St area - as they were the only enclosed yard areas she knew of.
  Then we seem to have mislaid Janet's query - our apologies to Janet for not following up properly.

  I have now (Feb 2015) checked on the 1911 census (on Ancestry) and found the following:-
- in the Enumerators Summary Book it has:
Page 7 Sched 162 1 Lambton Street--Private House--
           --Mr.Fawcett--6males 2females
Page 7 Sched 163 Lambton Street Watson's Yard--Cottage--
           --Mr.White--1male 1 female
Page 8 Sched 164 3 Lambton Street--Private House--
           --Mr.Todd--1male 1 female

- in the Census Form Address sheet:
  1 Watson's Yard, Lambton Street, Normanby RSO, Yorks.

  So - Watson's Yard was definitely in/off Lambton St - and using No.1 suggests there may have been others too?
  Must be small as called a cottage rather than a Private House (and only 2 'pentioners' in it).

  On a post-1945 map that our former-chairman Tom Towers sent me I can see Lambton St No.3 & No.5 but not No.1.
  No.3 is at the High St end of the terrace of Lambton St (opposite the Woodman) and there seem to be some buildings between No.3 and the corner shop No.27 High St.
  Were these v.small house(s) off the back of the High St?

  But as this map is after 1945 it will be worth looking at a large scale map dated around 1911.
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  If anyone has any more information about Watson's Yard or even photos then please contact us  !






















Picture of Boundary Marker Stone 2010





Woodman Arms, High St, Normanbty

Appeals for Help from 2012

Walter Baker of Normanby Closed -
          - Re-opened as Beever's Furniture Shop
- 7 Jun 2012

  This notable local furniture company sadly closed its Normanby store after 75 years of trading - another victim of the current recession.
  The business relocated from Southbank in 1965 to the former Forum Cinema  in Normanby.
  We thank the company and staff for all their contribution to our community and wish all well for their future.
  This closure was a sad loss to the shopping facilities of Normanby.   But fortunately the store has since re-opened as Beever's furniture shop - welcome news.
  If you have any interesting memories, photographs or memoribilia of the Walter Baker store (or the Forum Cinema) then please contact us  !




Picture of Forum after Walter Baker took it over

Appeals for Help from 2011

Mystery of the Normanby Hall Stones - 19 Jul 2011

  Veronica Fegan & Kester Marsh appeal for information that anyone can unearth about the stones in the photographs opposite.

  Veronica Fegan lives in the Mount and bought the woodland at the rear of their property some 23 years ago.
  She found two sandstone headstones with initials on them which they now have in their garden and which always prove a talking point with visitors.  (1st 2 photos shown opposite)
  Veronica wanted to know more of their history and looked into it a little at the time.
  She does not believe them to be for human graves but maybe for horses as their property is roughly where the stables of Normanby Hall were in the late 1800s.
  The initials are ARJ dated 10th February 1863 and WWJ.   ARJ may be for A Ralph Jackson and WWJ for William Ward Jackson but no date on this one as it is incomplete.

  Kester Marsh has also found a similar stone in his garden in Hollywalk Close (see 3rd photo opposite).
  The inscription is worn - below the obvious L J there is a row of smaller letters with only perhaps a J visible. There could be a further letter between the upper L & J.
  The stone measures 32" above the ground level, 14" across and 7" deep.
  Someone with a good metal detector might find something under the original position of the stone?   Kester says a 'stone' is shown on a 1927 map and he would like to believe it is for the Poverina Horse - but he will keep an open mind!

  The 1948 Estate Map produced for the sale of the Ward Jackson Normanby Estate in 1948 also shows a 'Stone'.
  Veronica believes the area adjoining the Mount was the stables area of the Normanby Hall and it stretched along Hollywalk Avenue and Hollywalk Close.   So there may be similar stones in other gardens too.

  If anyone can suggest who or what these mystery stones were intended for please contact us  !

Normanby Hall Stone 1

Normanby Hall Stone 2

Normanby Hall Stone 3

Normanby Miners - who are they? - 11 Jul 2011

  Joan Outhwaite displayed this interesting photograph at the group's recent exhibition hoping for any names of these miners.
  The photo was taken either in 1888 (when Cargo Fleet Iron Co took over the Normanby mine) or in 1899 when the mine closed.
  This photo might have been a "goodbye gift" - no redundancy money then!  So there may be a number of copies of this photo around.
  Joan knows the names of only two of the miners -
-Robert Smith (Joan's great grandfather) standing 3rd left.
-William Barker (Robert's brother-in-law) seated 2nd left.
  But who are the others? Can you put a name to any of the men?

17 February 2014 -   Reply received from Eric Barker the great grandson of William Barker.   Eric had a copy of the same photo as Joan with the date 1888 on the back.
  This confirmed Joan's 1st choice of date when Cargo Fleet Iron Co took over the Normanby mine.
  Furthermore Eric sent us a copy of the back cover of a booklet "Cleveland Ironstone Mining" by John S Owen.   This had the same photo with six extra names.
  This new information plus a larger photo have been added to a new article by Eric "Normanby Ironstone Mine".
  Thanks for the feedback Eric!

Please contact us  if you can help add any more names!




Normanby miners

Saint Helen's Church - Photos Wanted - 30 Apr 2011

  The church is being rebuilt at the Beamish Open-air Museum (see article "Saint Helen's Church Rebuilding" ).
  Unfortunately much of the church was vandalized or lost before it was dismantled and moved to storage at Beamish.
  So any photos of the church which we could borrow or copy could be a great help, particularly of the areas destroyed by fire or vandals.   Any pre-fire close-up views of practically anything could add details that will help the rebuild be as accurate as possible.

Please contact us  if you can help!

Saint Helen's Church - Any Stones in Your Garden? - 30 Apr 2011

  As described in the article "Saint Helen's Church Rebuilding"  many parts of the church were removed before it was taken to Beamish.
  We therefore appeal to local people to look in their gardens and see if they can find any sandstone blocks which may originate from the Church.
  It would be fantastic to replace as much of the original fabric as possible.
  And does anyone know where the font went?

Please contact us  if you can help!




St. Helens Church

Dixon Street - 14 Mar 2011

  Dixon Street is one of the first rows of houses built around 1854/5 as shown on a building plans we have found.
  The photo shown opposite is the only one we have of Dixon Street.  The streets were demolished in 1979.
  What we wanted to know is which way is the photo facing - towards Cleveland Street or Parrington Street?
  Answer: After further investigation we think that the photo was taken from the Parrington Street end looking towards Cleveland Street.
  Old maps show Dixon Street (no house numbers shown) had 6 houses along the north side with the two end ones being slightly larger (possibly shops?).  On the maps it seems that the whole length of the south side of the street is taken up by just 2 buildings with small buildings (sheds?) between them.  So the 6 houses in the photo are on the north side.  And their numbers could be 1,3,5,7,9,11 - which would match with the possible number 11 on the nearest door in the photo.  Hence photo taken from the Parrington Street end looking towards Cleveland Street.
  Can anyone confirm this?  Do you remember any corner shops in Dixon Street?  What were the buildings opposite the 6 houses?




Dixon Street 1974

Laird Street - 14 Mar 2011

  Does anyone have photos of Laird Street which ran parallel with High Street, Dixon and Mason Streets.

Family History - 10 Mar 2011

  We are unable to undertake family tree researches for others but if you have done any family tree research on your Normanby ancestors then we would be interested in your findings
             - so please contact us  !